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 5/22/2007 3:41:07 AM
User is offlineDaryl
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eBay Shark Teeth

Wow, did any of you see how much that 3.5" Auriculatus went for on eBay yesterday?  Over $800 !!!  Congrats to the person who could afford it.  I must admit that if I could afford it, I would probably have put a bid on it too, but you know, there's a completely different feeling about the teeth in your collection that you have found personally.  Don't get me wrong, I buy shark teeth off of eBay, a couple websites (LCG), and from folks at our club meetings.  I usually pick up stuff at a good price, and it's usually stuff that I either can't find locally or know I won't travel to (like Morrocan Otodus or Palaeocarcharodon teeth).  Sometimes I'll buy a tooth just to round out my collection so I can say I have at least one specimen of a particular species (ie. Megamouth tooth from Chile).  But I can honestly say that I really love the fact that I can still grab my riker mounts and point to my very first cowshark tooth (my favorite of all shark teeth), my first Meg (2.5"), and so many other memories about some really awesome specimens.  On the drop of a dime I can relive the day, the hour, the moment that I found a particular tooth.  I can recount the weather that day, the water/tide conditions, time of day, how it was that I wound up going that particular day, how I came to find the tooth, and most of all the excitement when I found it.  I think the urge to buy teeth is especially strong for new comers to the hobby.  I remember the feeling I had when I first started collecting, and I saw other people's collections that had been collecting for 10 to 20 years or more.  I thought, oh my God, how am I ever going to catch up and get as much nice stuff as them, so I went on a buying rampage and started buying teeth left and right.  Now when I look at those teeth, I honestly can't even remember who I bought them from, when I bought them, etc.  Sometimes I even forget I have them.  So remember, you can buy a tooth, but you can't necessarily buy the memories that go with it. 

Daryl. 

 5/22/2007 3:13:07 PM
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Re: eBay Shark Teeth
Hey Darryl - I have a few thoughts on this subject. Some people are fascinated with fossils. I'm one of them. Finding fossils is always my first choice, as I would imagine it is for pretty much everyone. Some people are very fortunate to live in locations where the type of fossils they enjoy are plentiful and they have the means and the time to look for them. Alot of people are not so fortunate. So someone who lives in NJ or Ohio or Minnesota might want to go to Lee Creek to find a meg. First you need the flexibility of time away from family and job, also a reliable means of transportation. Then gas, hotels, food for 3 or 4 days, which can really add up. And then of course the very real possibility exists of going to Lee Creek and spending 5 or 6 hundred dollars and not finding a meg. One could buy a couple of pretty nice teeth or one real nice tooth for that price. I started looking at fossils on ebay about 8 years ago. Due to family obligations at that time, I had no option of extended fossil trips and figured my chances of ever finding a meg were slim to none. So I cautiously began buying on ebay. At that time, the prices for nice teeth were alot more reasonable than today. So, for the equivalent cost of a couple of trips to NC, I have a modest but very nice collection of large megladon teeth. I enjoy looking at them, they were a good investment should I some day want to trade or sell. Then it worked out that a once a year family trip to Florida was in order. I worked it out to do the trip the week of the Tampa Bay fossil show in March. I was fascinated by the colors or the Bone Valley teeth and every year bought some. Never found a one but now have a really nice frame of beautiful Bone Valley teeth. Anyhow, I have been extremely fortunate to learn about more localized areas where I can find fossils and so I rarely buy anymore. But for those who can't find locally, those who want to expand their collections with teeth from Peru or Kazakhstan or South Carolina, and for a whole host of other reasons, I think buying or trading is a fine option.
 5/22/2007 4:51:15 PM
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I agree whole heartedly with you JP and love your logic about the travel expenses etc vs. the likelihood of finding a big tooth.  In fact, last year I knew I wasn't going to be able to go on my Lee Creek trip, so like you, I started computing the costs of what I usually rack up on my annual trek to PCS.  For me it's about $300 for gas, lodging, food, extra riker mounts from John Everette in the parking lot (he has the best prices!!), a couple bucks for the museum, etc.  With a club meeting coming up soon before the date of what would have been my trip, I thought about bringing some extra money to maybe buy a tooth that I've never found before at Lee Creek - a Bramble!  In fact, at the meeting, the guy that usually brings a bunch of stuff happended to have two of them so I bought both (they're perfect)!  Don't remember what I paid, but most of the $300 was gone.  I love looking at them too.  My only point of my first post was perhaps more of an inward reflection of not having the excitement of the find when looking at teeth that I didn't actually find myself.  For some things, like a shark jaw (which I have bought many), for some reason I don't miss this absent "feeling", since I know it's a bit unrealistic to go catch the sharks myself, cut out the jaw, etc.  And your point about not living in a well "fossil populated" or fossil rich area is well taken.  I'm from upstate NY and would be hosed if I were a shark tooth collector, but living in MD I'm a stone's throw away from so many collecting sites. 

I guess my whole point to my first post is that for me, I tend to "value" the teeth that I have found (not necessarily $$$ wise) more than some of the teeth that I have bought or traded for.  I continue to buy and trade teeth myself, matter of fact I'm getting ready to trade some Potomac River micros for some other teeth because I probably won't ever get around to travelling to this other spot. 

Daryl.

 5/22/2007 6:34:51 PM
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Re: eBay Shark Teeth
Darryl - I agree 100% it is more fun, more memorable, and the fossils have much more value (not necessarily $$$) when you find them yourself. I've been thinking lately that if one is into finding stuff, learning as much as possible about what can be found locally makes a whole lot of sense. If you live in Ohio and love fossil shark teeth, you are kind of out of luck. But you could concentrate your efforts on trilobytes and other Devonian fossils and then trade some of those for sharks teeth. Or concentrate on artifacts and trade some of those. I would imagine pretty much every area of the country has something of interest either of a paleontological or archeological nature. Concentrating on what can be found locally rather than wishing you lived somewhere else makes alot of sense to me. And then, if it really meant that much to find a certain kind of fossil on a regualr basis, you could move to Montana if you were into dinosaurs, Summerville SC if into sharks teeth, etc. Anyhow Darryl, we're on the same page, better to find them than to buy them. But, from time to time, buying and trading can enhance one's experience and collection. And while I would not care to do it, if some folks out there have in their budget $800 for a 3.5 inch ric, more power to them.
 5/23/2007 2:35:21 AM
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I've been in Lee Creek over 100 times. I started going in the mid to late 1980's. I have found just about every rare tooth that can be found in the mine including a Megachasma, but I have never found a big meg. The largest complete meg I have found in Lee Creek is 4 3/4". It is a beautiful heart shaped tooth with a perfect blade and root, but the bourlette is only about 50% complete. I figure I paid at least $6000 for that tooth and that's just the trips up to the point that I found it. I an now looking to buy a big tooth. The cost of a six inch Lee Creek meg seems ludicrous, but in retrospect it's not that much after all.

 5/23/2007 4:06:28 PM
User is offlineDaryl
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Wow, I would have bet you had at least a few over 6", especially being able to collect so long ago when they said the collecting area was closer to the river/water and produced more of the larger teeth.  I've only been about a dozen times and my nicest and largest meg is only 2".  It only seems fair that someone like you who has been so many times, invested so much time and energy should have at least one huge tooth.  With all those trips though you must have one awesome collection though!  It's funny to read each season on elasmo how someone on their first trip ever into the mine finds a huge tooth.  I remember a few years ago I heard a story about a fella who was on his first trip into the mine, spent the day wandering about not really knowing how or where to collect, sat down for an early lunch, and when he went to rinse his hands off in a puddle nearby, found a huge meg in the puddle!  I don't know if the story is true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me. 

I've often wondered/dreamed what it would be like to be a mine worker/operator and be able to collect there whenever you want.  I bet those folks have some pretty awesome teeth.

Daryl.

 5/23/2007 4:43:20 PM
User is offlineBigRedMeg
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Years ago I met a Canadian couple at Lee Creek who had no idea where to look or how to find a tooth. I gave them a quick geology/collecting lesson on the bus on the way into the mine. At the end of the day I asked them how they did. They said they only found one tooth. I said it was a long way from Canada just to find one tooth and then they pulled out a near perfect 5 1/2" Yorktown tooth. I have had a few people find nice teeth after telling them where to look. If I were smarter I would quit helping people. To make up for my lack in Lee Creek I have found over half a dozen megs from 5 7/8" to 6 1/2" while diving. They don't have the Lee Creek color, but they are still pretty nice.

 6/3/2007 9:33:44 PM
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Re: eBay Shark Teeth
Being someone that spends a lot of time and money on this hobby, i of course felt the need to offer in my 2 cents. I reallized long ago that it was not really wise or possible to do this as a cost of travel/hunt vs how much I found. In part because I took one of my first dive trips and spent $180 on gas, another $100 on the hotel, another $200, on the diver charter (not to mention 2 vacation days) only to come home with one 4" 'river' tooth. The part you can never factor into the equation is your fun/passion for it. Without that factored in...there is no way to actually get a valid 'analysis'. I have always been a big believer in storing off memories from friends, travels, tooth hunts, etc and those being the real treasures. Yes there are times when I have gotten really bummed out because I spent so much time and money to get there only to be 'skunked', but there is always the one single tooth of the weekend that makes it all worthwhile. Not to mention the excitement of the hunt itself. And even when I have not found teeth, there has always been something to take away from the hunt - maybe even just getting together with friends that share a common passion and doing some teasing of one another (like 'rostrum boy' this past weekend on the diving). I guess I have thought of the cost piece of it as something to worry about if it were my business (which is is not) or if I had to justify it to someone else (and I don't). I just LOVE doing it..and have met soooo many good people doing it...the cost was all worth it to me :) And speaking of cost...my 'found' teeth are worth more to me than anyone could pay for them - that is why I don't sell them.
 6/3/2007 11:22:43 PM
User is offlineDaryl
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I almost chose not to go collecting yesterday morning at my favorite beach because collecting hasn't been too good and the thought of getting up early, driving 45 minutes, and spend about $10 in gas to probably find a couple of dumb little teeth wasn't too appealing - but I went anyway!  Because I too enjoy the hobby so much now, that it's not just about the teeth, but the great outdoors, the fresh air and exercise, the ducks and eagles I see, even the snakes!  Turns out I ended up with a nice redneck sunburn (literally - the back of my neck is toasted red) and a perfect upper cowshark tooth. 

Daryl.

 6/4/2007 3:33:29 PM
User is offlineBigRedMeg
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I used to get hung up on the cost vs finds issue. At the time I was making about $1.23 an hour. That's figuring being "on duty" 24 hours a day all year as we were constantly reminded. Yes, I was in the military. I went through several phases of justifying my expenses to myself and finally decided it was fun to collect and way cheaper than going out to a bar every night like most of the guys I knew at that time. My new collecting criteria isn't to find enough to pay for the trip, but to find one tooth that I consider a "collection" tooth good enough to go in a frame. It doesn't have to be a monster, just nice.

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