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 Re: Chesapeake Great White Teeth
 
 5/31/2008 4:51:31 PM
User is offlineCarl O'cles
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Re: Chesapeake Great White Teeth
 Modified By host  on 5/31/2008 10:14:09 AM)

Tom,

  Although evolution does happen over time and does happen in a specific formation typically you don't find teeth with different traits in different zones of the formation.  The nanjemoy formation for example when the otodus transitioned to the ric in one zone you have otodus then the next you have teeth that are barely serrate then the next zone has the aksuaticus then the next has ric's.  Rarely do you find a tooth out of position.  You also have the same things with the mako evolution to great white in peru where one zone has makos the next barely serrate ones and so on.

Martijn,

   The partially serrate teeth i have for late calvert are not escheri's they most likely xiphodon.  The interesting thing is that they are juveniles and they have side cusps just like a juvenile great white.  The Plum Point area does have some choptank so it is possible that my partially serrate teeth where the beginning of the evolution in the late calvert and the tooth you have is the finish of the transition a couple million years later in the choptank.  Who knows at this point.

I have attached a front and back image of one of the teeth

 6/1/2008 4:31:09 AM
User is offlineTom
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Re: Chesapeake Great White Teeth

Carl, you're right, but since Bay teeth are usually not found in their original locations, but are instead found in the water or on the beach, I wasn't too worried about which zone any possible Great White teeth may have come from.  Besides, I have a more interesting question to ask.  According again to Kent, GWs can be found in the Calvert, Eastover, and Yorktown formations.  How can the species be present in the Calvert but not the Choptank, considering that the two formations are chronologically sequential and are in physical contact?

Might be worth emailing Dr Kent for an explanation.

Tom

 6/2/2008 1:01:04 AM
User is offlineDaryl
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Re: Chesapeake Great White Teeth

If GW's came from Mako's "over time", then why are there still mako's, and why aren't they slowly getting serrations?  It seems like the only evidence for something evolving has to be the tooth changing from non-serrated to eventually fully serrated.  Does this mean sand tigers need to develop serrations, or any other shark that doesn't have them? 

Daryl.

 6/2/2008 3:30:43 AM
User is offlineCarl O'cles
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Re: Chesapeake Great White Teeth
Tom, you make a very valid point there.  Why would they not be present in both the choptank and saint mary's?  It is possible that they have just never been found in situ in those formations or maybe they wern't in the area during that time period or their first appearance truley isn't until the eastover.  Thats a good question, let us know what kent says if you do contact him.
 6/2/2008 5:45:07 AM
User is offlinetoothpuller
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Re: Chesapeake Great White Teeth
According to Lutz Andres' article on elasmo, all Miocene records of GWs are questionable. I don't know enough about different localities to form my own opinion on this, but I will buy into his argument here... Consider Aurora where Carcharodon carcharias teeth are found in the Pungo but they always seem to be black and reworked, while the Yorktown produces pristine specimens from time to time. It is possible that all the Pungo GWs are coming from a reworked formational contact with the Yorktown and lithostratigraphically the reworked layer seems more like Pungo, when the teeth are actually derived from some later (missing) unit up to the beginning of Yorktown depositon. If the Calvert fm really does have GWs it would make sense that the Pungo does also since they are pretty much the exact same age. But has anyone seen a pristine GW from the Pungo? I would also think someone on here would have seen some GWs from the Calvert fm. if they really are present. I think Kent might have just somehow blown this one even though his book is pretty good.

 6/2/2008 6:05:27 AM
User is offlinetoothpuller
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Re: Chesapeake Great White Teeth
OOPS I might even be wrong about any Pungo GWs at all, but I thought I remembered reading somewhere about GWs attributed to the Pungo. Lee Creek vol. 3 only has GWs listed in the Yorktown, though.
 6/3/2008 4:59:23 AM
User is offlineditchweezil
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Re: Chesapeake Great White Teeth
I thought the best GW's from Lee Creek came from the James City?
 6/3/2008 5:44:54 AM
User is offlinetoothpuller
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Re: Chesapeake Great White Teeth
I think the James City has more but they are for the most part reworked I think. That doesn't mean they can't be beautiful, though. By "pristine" I meant that basically the tooth was found "in situ" undisturbed since it first was buried. Or as close to that scenario as we can tell.
 6/9/2008 4:23:52 PM
User is offlineTom
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Re: Chesapeake Great White Teeth

I actually did email Dr Kent about this subject, about a week ago, but haven't heard back from him yet. 

 6/9/2008 4:58:19 PM
User is offlinedinosaur50
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Re: Chesapeake Great White Teeth
dr kent would know he one of best at shark tooth  i have the book 2 and one of mark books
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