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 7/31/2008 3:57:54 AM
User is offlineDaryl
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Kayak recommendation

For many years now I've wante to get a boat, a jetski, a kayak, ...something to make it easier to get to some of the spots I frequent.  Since a boat and jetski are a bit cumbersome, costly, and require places to launch, I figure maybe I should start out with a kayak.  If it makes a difference as to the type of kayak I need, I plan on using it along the Chesapeake Bay (Calvert Cliffs), and the Potomac River, MD.  Both of these waters are tidal, but the Bay can have much bigger waves.  I don't plan on paddling too far from shore, even though I'm a good swimmer.  I'm a bit paranoid about tipping over and being trapped upside down, but I don't think I want one of those "open" type of kayaks, I'd prefer to stay dry, especially in colder weather.  Ideally I'm thinking of something small and light weight that I can carry or pull (if it has wheels) down to the water, hop in and go.  If they make small motors that can be used on kayaks that would be cool.  Also, I'm curious to know how long on average it would take to paddle about a mile.  I know the water/wave/wind conditions affect this, but I'm just trying to determine if paddling will really be worth it, or if I should stick to walking.

If anyone has any recommendations let me know.

Daryl.

 7/31/2008 4:40:39 PM
User is offlinerock_splitter
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Re: Kayak recommendation
I was in your situation about a year ago.  I was hunting the peace river with no boat of any kind and while I think I had pretty good success and found a fair amount of stuff, I also believed that I could find more if I could get farther from the bridges and boat ramps.  So I shopped and shopped and found a deal on a Wilderness Systems Tarpon 100.  It won't quite meet what you are looking for as it is a sit-on-top(SOT) kaya, but it has allowed me to learn a few things.

When I got it, I thought it weighed a ton, but after having it for a few months, I can pick it up and carry it just fine.  Its really all about technique, not power.

The SOT kayaks tend to not be as fast as the Sit-In kayaks.  They also don't track quite as straight through the water.  The SOT tends to be a bit more stable since they are typically a little bit wider.  I've paddled through some decently swift current as well as on the Gulf of Mexico with mine and never felt like I was going to tip mine.  But the first 2-3 times I went out, well, let's just say I'm glad I was by myself so nobody had to see me looking so awkward.

If I am just puttering along and paddling consistently but not straining by any means, I can cover a mile in less time than it takes me to walk it, especially if I have to cross any snags, downed trees or that type of thing on foot.  My average time per mile partly depends on if I am fighting currents, but averaging everything out, I do a mile in 15 minutes and I have more energy than I would after walking that distance.  You also don't have to carry much gear since you can stow your gear in the kayak.

For transporting them to the water I have seen some small kayak dollies that work fine but I just pick it up and carry it.  You can also by a strap to carry it with and they work very nicely.

A good paddle is essential!  Without one, your arms get tired, and you don't get maximum distance per stroke.  Going cheap on a paddle will cost you in the long run.


For kayaks themselves, you may want to look at Wilderness Systems Tsunami series as well as the Pungo series(great name!).  Used kayaks are also a good option too.

I wouldn't trade my kayak except for anything.  I hope that helps!
 8/1/2008 2:54:11 AM
User is offlineDaryl
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Re: Kayak recommendation

R_S, thanks a bunch for the tips and info.  I've already started searching the web to get a bit more educated and look at what's out there.  ALthough I was half-joking about a kayak-motor, I wasn't surprised when in just one google search I found a battery operated one.  Not sure if I'd really get one since it would just be more to carry, but it's neat to see there are lots of options.  I did realize that whatever I get, it all has to work in salt/brackish water.  One of the motors I found only works in fresh water.

thanks
Daryl.

 8/1/2008 3:06:45 PM
User is offlinerock_splitter
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Re: Kayak recommendation
Daryl if you think of more things you want to ask, by all means let me know and if I know something about it I'd be more than happy to weigh in on it with an answer.

I'd be cautious of a motor on a kayak, especially if its a shorter kayak.  Anything under 10 feet long and they require more attention to direction since they don't track as straight on their own and I could see where you'd be constantly steering with a motor and thus traveling in a near endless S pattern as you continue to correct your direction.

A kayak is a great investment and I would definitely recommend it, just remember going cheap frequently leads to wishing you'd spent just a bit more to get what you really needed. 

As for the salt/bracking issue, the kayak itself will have no problems with that.  I would suggest a good rinse off with fresh water when you get home from such a trip though.  But if you should come up with one you like let me know what it is before you buy it and if I know something about it, I can give an opinion on it based on my experience or some of my contacts in the kayak world. I can also give you some paddle recommendations without going extremely expensive either.


 8/1/2008 9:41:53 PM
User is offlineobsessed1
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Re: Kayak recommendation

Daryl, You might want to go to Black Hill Park in Boyds Md.. It is run by M-NCPPC and they rent kayaks for use on the lake.  If you try one and you like it you may be able to get one at a reasonable cost using the surplus auctions they have on a regular basis. I was able to pick up 2 for around $50 each. They sold new for around $400 each. I haven't used them yet so I can't tell you how they handle but they seem fairly wide as far as kayaks go. If you want more info on the auctions send me an email. Hope this helps...

 8/3/2008 4:56:52 AM
User is offlineDaryl
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Re: Kayak recommendation

Thanks guys.  I'm going to shop around on the net and continue doing some research.  I realized yesterday while I was on the Potomac that a kayak might not work there like I thought.  In the couple of areas that I collect, there is really tall and thick seaweed (hydrilla) growing, and it grows in the cove all the way up to about 15 to 20 feet from shore.  The shoreline can be problematic with lots of fallen trees and partially submerged trees.  Not sure how I would navigate around them without venturing too close or into the seaweed.  If I get a kayak, looks like I might have to stick to using it on the Bay, and maybe those colder months on the river when the grass isn't around.

Daryl.

 8/4/2008 4:17:41 PM
User is offline8251reefer
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Re: Kayak recommendation

Darryl,

  For diving out of a kayak you want a sit on top., I just recently purchased an $800 cobra kayak from craigslist.org for $350. I bought it to dive the St Marys River as well as the shores of Venice.  You won't have any problems going over sub,erged trees as the bottom of the kayak shouldn't be more than 18 to 24 at the keel. I would check out this website www.kayakdiving.com prior to purchasing your yak. Anyways... good luck and take care.

 8/4/2008 4:54:11 PM
User is offlineGimlie
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Re: Kayak recommendation

I use a Wilderness Systems Tarpon 160i when I hunt. I was a sea kayaker long before I was a fossil hunter.  This boat gives you the efficiency of a sea kayak with the stability and dive platform capabilities of a sit-on –top.  We use them on the bay, and tidal rivers including the Potomac.   Not sure where you are located but Appomattox river Company in Farmville VA has a huge selection and he sells under MSRP.

 8/17/2008 3:05:43 PM
User is offlineLS1
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Re: Kayak recommendation
Daryl,

I bought a kayak a few years back for the same reasons you did. Specifically to get to places I could not normally.  I hunt both the bay and the potomac, but have not kayaked on the potomac.  I have two sit-in kayaks, a perception america, and a necky manitou.  I would be willing to bring them both down to the bay so you could see if you like kayaking and to do some fossil hunting if you are interested.  My email is in my profile.

Bill
 8/19/2008 3:20:32 AM
User is offlineChris
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Re: Kayak recommendation

Daryl...

Last year I got a small Old Town the model was the "Otter".  Its small enough to fit inside my vehicle and I can lock it, easy to carry and was relatively inexpensive(under 300$).  I got a good life vest, one that you can paddle with it, and a collapsible paddle.  This kayak is plenty stable for traversing inlets to get other beach access.  I picked it up at Bass Pro.  Good luck

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